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Memories of the awesome TriStar!
Last post 04-14-2006, 8:10 AM by Aviator707. 13 replies.
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Memories of the awesome TriStar!
The TriStar was an unfortunate product but a fantastic plane,
it failed to achieve even break-even sales for Lockheed and put them out of the
commercial airliner business forever. However, as an aircraft, it benefitted
from technologically brilliant and spanking new design techniques and
infrastructure at the new Lockheed facility and was the most advanced aircraft
of its time. Even when one looks at the accident index of the plane, the record
may be termed as brilliant. Most passengers recall the fantastic comfort and
legroom that the L-1011 Tristar offered. Like I said above, the TriStar is
unfortunate to be underrated and neglected even now, and the sight of a few old
ones being literally reduced to trash in their desert storage locations would
sadden any aviation enthusiast. The only few Tristars still in service are
with obscure and unheard of airlines or as a few military converted aircraft. A
total of 250 TriStars were built till 1984. The TriStar's direct and main
competitor, the DC-10 was commercially more successful, even though the TriStar
was a sounder and safer design. The only intriguing fact about many TriStar
accidents is the origin of a fire from the rear of the aircraft, including the
one in the Saudi TriStar fire in Riyadh in 1980 where there were no survivors.
Its competitor, the DC-10 was part of many more major and minor accidents, fatal
and otherwise. All said and done the TriStar remains a truly magnificient flying
jet that was both brilliant and distict from the run-of-the-mill, ubliquitous
twin engined jets of today.
--Ashish
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Re: Memories of the awesome TriStar!
The time and cost overruns of the L-1011 Tri-Star compared to
the DC-10 happened for a very good reason: it was a superior aircraft in nearly
every way.
The race to produce the three-engine jumbos is well documented
(along with McDonnell-Douglas's many short cuts) in Destination Disaster by the
London Sunday Times Insight team. Among the details I remember: the L-1011's
rear engine was faired into the fuselage/tailplane assembly in a far more
sophisticated (and expensive) design than the DC-10's banjo construction, giving
a larger vertical stablizer as well as a much more elegant profile; avionics and
control systems had greater redundancy; and then there was the matter of that
cargo door...
I've made many pleasant flights on Tri-Stars, with TWA and
British Airways. It was one of those planes that inspire confidence. It felt
solid and right. A tight ship.
On the other hand, my first transatlantic
flight was made aboard a DC-10, when the catalogue of known design flaws, and
consequent disasters, was still growing. In two decades of fairly frequent
flying I've only had to repeat that experience on one other occasion, and that
was Continental's last-ever DC-10 Atlantic crossing -- or so the stewardess told
me. I wasn't sure how to take that news, as the ground crew took a hammer to
close the door before pushing back.
--RudigerS
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Re: Memories of the awesome TriStar!
The airline I work for still flies the L-1011, but is in the
process of parking them due to high "D" check costs. I not only work on these
planes, but have flown on them quite a few times, and I can truthfully say they
are a well-built aircraft, and are very smooth in the air considering their
size. It is sad to see pictures of these once great airliners now sitting in
pieces out in the desert.
--Anonymous
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There are two things that I remember about the L-1011 big
bird. First, I remember how unique the tail engine design was. it had an S
shaped engine, that had a very high F.O.D. rating (foreign object damage) I also
remember how distinct the anti-collision lights were under and on top of the
airplane. There were two of them each side by side one another, above and below,
and they flashed on and of. They didn't flash quickly like all the other
airplanes did, but the flashing was slow. That's pretty cool.
--Astronoman_X
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Re: Memories of the awesome TriStar!
My sister and I took a flight from Atlanta GA to Puerto Rico
on a Delta L-1011 back in 1993 and I have to say, the thing that really stuck me
was the cool, retro Super70s interior. But that old bird was as smooth and quiet as
some of the newer jets. After we touched down in Puerto Rico, I quizzed the
pilots about the jet and all three of them agreed that it was a great airplane.
Kinda sad when Delta retired all of them years later though.
--Turbofan
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TriStars were a unique viewing treat at night - they were the
ONLY airliner with TWO red anti-collision lights both on top of and under the
fuselage (the Convair 990 had two on the bottom only). As if it wasn't enough,
Pan Am's 500's had blinding synchronized strobes instead of the rotating type.
Further, all three cargo doors had green indicator lights which were on when the
doors were locked, power was on, and the plane was on the ground. What a light
show!
--Louis Gonzalez
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I have two memories of the L-1011. The first was the account
of the famous crash in the Florida Everglades, and the subsequent book written
about it titled (I think) "The Ghost of Flight 411." This may not be quite
correct, but as I recall one of the pilots accidentally bumped the autopilot
button on the steering yoke and unknowingly disengaged it. The plane slowly lost
altitude and the pilots only discovered this just before it hit ground in the
Everglades. A last second attempt to pull it up was unsuccessful. For whatever
reason, this story and plane stuck in my mind.
Later, while in the Navy, in
1981 I was transferring duty stations to Orlando, Florida. After a leave, the
last link of my trip was a hop from Atlanta to Orlando. It was a red eye flight
on an L-1011. I was pretty interested in the flight because I recall the book
mentioned above so was glad to actually fly the plane and see what it was like.
To my surprise there were only about 6-8 passengers booked on the flight! There
were, in fact, fewer passengers than flight attendants. I was sitting in the
very rear row, and was the only passenger in that whole section of the plane.
After getting in the air, the attendants came back and sat around me to chat.
They said that even though that flight was typically a low-load run, that
evening was exceptionally low--no one could recall so few passengers before. In
a sense, it made it quite a memorable flight, with essentially the entire plane
empty.
--Dennis
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What a plane! Something about boarding a plane that has the
"RR" Rolls Royce logo on the engines! L-1011's had a reputation for being
smooth, and safe. Only one had crashed in the U.S. in the Super70s, an Eastern
Airlines flight bound to Florida. One would crash at DFW airport in '85. As
aircraft engines became more powerfull, the need for tri-engined aircraft
diminished. Boeing's 757 and 767 aircraft could do the job, with less fuel, and
crew required.
I last flew on one in 1999,on a Delta flight from Atlanta,
and was amused to find that the interior had never been updated from when the
plane first entered service w/Eastern Airlines. The last of the L-1011's was
retired from regular U.S. airline service around 2001.
--JR
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Delta had a fleet of them in the early 'Super70s and we loved
flying in them. The DC-10s were close, but the L-1011 did everything right. The
Boeing 747 looked big, is big, but the cabin layout feels cramped after several
flying hours, whereas the L-1011 never did.
--Doug Willis
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The first and last time I flew a Tri Star was from Denver to
Portland Oregon around Thanksgiving of 1995. The aircraft was owned by Delta,
and what really struck me was the number of bathrooms available in the rear of
the plane. If I remember correctly, there was no galley back there, so
passengers had the run of a small hallway that connected the doors to four or
five bathrooms that curved around the rear of the aircraft. The lack of a
galley, and the subsequent collisions that come with having crew and passengers
share such a crowded area had been removed. Great idea. Too bad that there are
no longer any L1011's in scheduled service in the US.
--Curt
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There are infact a total of nine Lockeed 1011-500's in service
with the UK airforce. Five former British airways examples and a further four
from the now defunct Pan-Am. They are used in the air to air refuelling role and
as a large transport aircraft.
--Anonymous
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In 1992 I flew on a Caledonian Airways L1011 from Manchester,
UK to Orlando. The carpet was fraying, there were odd coloured seats mixed in
with the regular ones, there was paint flaking off of the radome, the movie
screen's protective cover kept falling off and the ceiling fascia wouldn't stay
on the ceiling. Despite all of this, something about that aeroplane felt safe
and well built. We landed at Bangor, Maine to refuel and as we were about to
take off again, I could see the awesome power of the Rolls Royce RB211 engine
sucking up puddles of rainwater from the runway. . . with the engine at idle! I
live in the city of Derby, UK, where the RB211 was built and have met a lot of
engineers that worked on the engine and they seemed proud of it.
--Anonymous
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I was 10 years old when I first stepped onto this huge
aircraft. I can remember looking out the window seat at all the taxi and runway
lights as this was not only my first flight ever, but a night op to boot. I
remember the over all size and power of the aircraft that had me in complete
amazement as I looked around at all the seats and how they seemed to go on and
on like a never ending hall way in those horror movies. Mid-flight a flight
attendent came up to me and asked if I would like to see the cockpit and I could
not get out of my seat fast enough to go visit. The pilots were the most amazing
people I had ever met in my short life. They showed my some of the insturments
in this monster of a cockpit. The FO leaned over and put a pair of plastic wings
on my shirt as I was getting ready to return to my seat. That was the most
triumphant 80 feet of marching I have done. It ended it what seemed minutes even
though the flight was a good three hours or so.
This plane, the crew as
well as the overall trip is why I am a pilot today. I will never forget that
plane, the pilots, or the innocence of the time. My only regret is that due to
the fact of some cowards and their foolishness, I can not share this experience
with anyone else unless I put it in a short story. Thank you for reading my
story and I hope this aircraft has touched others in this fashion as well.
--chevy pilot
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I first flew on an L-1011 Tristar in August 1973 between Boston and San
Francisco that belonged to Eastern Airlines but was leased to TWA. Both airlines
had an exchange program, flying each other's equipment back during the early
Super70s. This is a remarkable aircraft and the most comfortable of the
widebodied trijets, and certainly more comfortable than the DC-10. The fuselage
is roughly a foot wider than its Douglas counterpart but shorter. All Tristars
are powered by three Rolls Royce RB-211 engines that are exceptionally quiet.
They are, however, extremely noisy and sometime smoke up during engine start,
sounding like a deep-voiced man exhaling a throaty 'ahhhh' that vibrate the
cabin and, in some cases, airport terminal windows. TWA and Delta were the main
U. S. operators of L-1011 Tristars. The latter was the last major U. S. carrier
to fly them. Though the second widebodied jet to enter service behind the Boeing
747, the Tristar fell behind the DC-10 in production from the very beginning
when Rolls Royce went on strike - a major setback for Lockheed. Today, very few
are flying with major air carriers throughout the world. Sadly, Tristar
production ceased the moment Lockheed decided to bow out of the passenger
aircraft industry and proceed in other ventures such as the defense industry.
Long live the Tristar!"
--Harald A.
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